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ICE is being used no differently than when Obama deported millions more than Trump with 75% of those deportations without due process, were expedited, and not a peep from the Libtards who just ignore this fact and keep hating on Trump.

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1. Write a brief overall summary of your findings.

What I've found is that this is a complicated subject, that requires a lot of context. A lot of deportations under the Bush administration were referred to as "removals" and many people were turned away at the border. Turning people away was called a "voluntary departure" but still technically acts as deportation. According to the Migration Policy Institute, around 5 million people were deported under the Obama administration. According to a top domestic policy adviser, Cecilia Muñoz, the focus was on deporting people with criminal records, as well as people who had recently come to the USA, claiming it to be "more humane". "She argues that Obama prioritized deporting people convicted of serious crimes and recent arrivals who had no criminal records." (https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/politics/obama-trump-deportations-illegal-immigration)

This is a contrast to Trump's policies, which focus on deporting as many people as possible. Obama's policies also focused on immigrants near the border, with the idea that immigrants who were living by the borders most likely had been in America for shorter periods of time. This policy differs from Trump's, which seems to have no rhyme or reason beside deporting as many as possible. So overall this claim is true, but hard to use in a political argument due to complicated context and ethical questions. 
2. What primary sources did you find https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not
3. What secondary sources did you find 

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/politics/obama-trump-deportations-illegal-immigration
4. What potential biases or interests might each of your sources have?

There are some biases at play in my research, as CNN tends to lean left, and they chose to interview someone who previously had worked for the Obama administration. Because Muñoz worked for the Obama administration, she could very well be biased toward Obama, and against Trump, and may make claims to make Obama seem superior. 
5. What evidence supports the claim you are fact-checking?

There are statistics that show the original claim is true. Obama did deport more people than Trump, however it was under different circumstances. 
6. What evidence undermines the claim you are fact-checking?

Nothing directly undermines the claim. There is only context to be added. 
7. What happened when you tried contacting the person or group who made the original claim

CNN has not responded to my questions about their bias or the legitimacy of their source in Muñoz. 

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While a very thought out answer, the article you chose, (https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/politics/obama-trump-deportations-illegal-immigration) doesn't acutally contain any evidence that Trump is deporting 'as many people he can' besides just saying it in the article with no source to back it up.
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This statement has some elements of truth but a sweeping and false overall claim. While it is true that Obama removed more noncitizens during his two terms than Trump has so far into his presidency and that 75% of immigrants were removed without seeing a judge under the Obama administration, the usage of ICE is fundamentally different between the two administrations. 

In a comparison done by The Law Enforcement Immigration Task Force the Obama administration created administration enforcement centered mainly around “threats and recent entrants”. While the policy included deportation for more categories of immigrants than the Biden Administration, the Trump administration surpasses both with a policy where “all undocumented migrants are priorities”. During his two terms as president President Barack Obama removed 3 million noncitizens from the US as reported by El Paso Matters where 75% of detainees were not able to see a judge.  A fundamental difference between the Trump administration and the Obama Administrations approach is the Obama administration's emphasis on prosecutorial discretion and following the Morton guidance which took special consideration for sensitive cases such as veterans, abuse situations, and more. Trump’s administration on the other hand operates under the belief that “‘prosecutorial discretion shall not be exercised in a manner that exempts or excludes a specified class or category of noncitizens from enforcement of immigration laws”’. While deportations occurred under both with Obama currently holding more removals given he had completed two terms while Trump is in the early stages of his second term- ICE focused much heavier on national threats and new entrances while Trump treats all immigrants the same. 

The Obama administration operated under a immigration system that deported many undocumented immigrant and acted in a way that was heavily criticized by many such as American Civil Liberties Union, the Trump administration however tends to receive more backlash as it operates under the Presidents promise to act more aggressively. He claims “all illegal entry will immediately be halted, and we will begin the process of returning millions and millions of criminal aliens back to the places from which they came” in a Time Magazine interview.

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This response is really good! I would suggest including some sentences as to why your sources are credible/unbiased, but other than that, this comment was very well researched and phrased. I liked in particular how you included specific examples and context as to why this claim was wrong, and what actually happened.

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