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by Titan (27.4k points)
Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union until 1991.
Who drew the new lines?
The Donbas ethnic Russian people wouldn't feel unsafe if they weren't constantly attacked.
Their education is in Ukrainian, & their access to any governmental/local jobs is dependent on their ability to speak Ukrainian.

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ago by Newbie (230 points)

The claim about people in Donbas only feeling unsafe because they’re “constantly attacked” and being excluded for speaking Russian is oversimplified and not fully accurate. First, the source is just a social media post, not a verified expert or news organization, so it doesn’t have strong credibility. When you look at better coverage, reporting from groups like BBC News and United Nations shows that the conflict in eastern Ukraine started in 2014 with Russian-backed separatists and has involved fighting from both sides, not just one-sided attacks. Also, Ukrainian is the official language of the country, so requiring it for government jobs is normal and doesn’t automatically mean discrimination, and Russian is still widely spoken in daily life, including in the Donbas region. When tracing the claim back, it reflects narratives often pushed by pro-Russian sources that frame Ukraine as oppressing Russian speakers, even though major human rights reports have not found evidence of systematic persecution. Overall, the claim is misleading because it leaves out key context about the war and exaggerates language-based discrimination.

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ago by Newbie (320 points)

Just a couple of things here. Yes, Ukraine was part of the USSR, but Russia itself was the one that signed the agreement in 1991, which recognized Ukraine’s borders, so the “who drew the lines” argument actually works against Russia. As for Donbas, the population there was actually majorly ethnic Ukrainian, not Russian, and for 8 years the OSCE monitored the region and never found any evidence of systematic attacks on Russian speakers. What is documented is that Russia organized and funded the separatist movement through its Kremlin advisors. Ukraine’s 2019 law does require government jobs and schools, and international bodies raised concerns about it. But it took 8 years of Russian-backed conflict for that law to arise. One real criticism doesn't make the whole narrative true.

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ago by Newbie (260 points)
The claim that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union until 1991 is historically accurate, as it was a founding member of the USSR before 92% of its population—including majorities in every region—voted for independence following the union's collapse. However, the suggestion that borders were "newly drawn" at this time is misleading; Ukraine achieved independence within its existing administrative boundaries that had been established decades earlier as the Ukrainian SSR. Regarding the conflict in the Donbas between 2014 and 2022, the situation was complex: while approximately 3,400 civilians were killed and many ethnic Russians felt unsafe, independent monitors from the OSCE recorded thousands of ceasefire violations from both Ukrainian forces and Russian-backed separatists. Finally, the claims regarding language are largely grounded in legal reality, as 2017 and 2019 laws established Ukrainian as the primary language of instruction in schools and the mandatory language for public administration and government jobs, respectively.
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