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“There were *NO* provocations against Russia.” Aside from this, and the 14,000 culturally Russian people who were killed by the Ukro-nazi regime for having a vote to leave their nazi-nation. Even though the UN gives the rights to self-determination.

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by Novice (780 points)
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The claim that "Ukraine killed 14,000 ethnic Russians who voted to leave Ukraine" is misleading. The number 14,000 comes from the total deaths in the Donbas war between 2014 and 2021. Those deaths included Ukrainian soldiers, Russian-backed separatists, and civilians. There is no evidence that all 14,000 were ethnic Russians or that they were all killed by Ukraine. 

United Nations (OHCHR) Casualty Report

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

This report found about 14,200–14,400 total deaths in the Donbas conflict. It explains that the deaths included civilians, Ukrainian military members, and separatist fighters.

Potential Biases or Interests- United Nations: Generally considered neutral and focused on collecting data. Euromaidan Press: Pro-Ukraine news source, so it may present events from a Ukrainian perspective.

. What Evidence Supports the Claim? Around 14,000 people did die in the Donbas conflict before 2022. Some of those killed were Russian-speaking people living in eastern Ukraine.

What Evidence Undermines the Claim? The 14,000 deaths included soldiers and fighters from both sides, not just ethnic Russians. The UN does not say that Ukraine killed 14,000 ethnic Russians.

I could not find the original person who made the claim because it has been shared by many people online. Therefore, I was unable to contact them for a response.

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by Novice (680 points)

The claim about “14,000 culturally Russian people being killed by the Ukro-nazi regime” is misleading and leaves out a lot of context. The 14,000 number actually comes from the total deaths during the Donbas conflict from 2014-2021 according to reports from the UN OHCHR and OSCE. Those reports say the deaths included Ukrainian soldiers, Russian backed separatists, and civilians on both sides, not just ethnic Russians killed by Ukraine.

Also the whole “Ukraine is a nazi regime” thing isnt really backed up by evidence. Reuters Fact Check and AP Fact Check both reported there was no evidence Ukraine was committing genocide against Russian speakers before Russia invaded in 2022. Ukraine is also a democratic country and its president Zelenskyy is Jewish which doesnt really support the nazi claim either.

The self-determination part is partly true because the UN does recognize self determination in international law but countries also have territorial rights. The UN General Assembly did not recognize the votes in Crimea and separatist regions as legitimate and most countries didn't either.

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by Novice (680 points)
The number that you give that "14,000 culturally Russian people who were killed by the Ukro-nazi regime" is just wrong and you have the number 14,000 in the total wrong context. According to this source (https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/west-has-turned-a-blind-eye-to-the-genocide-in-ukraine/) there is no evidence that supports the claim a targeted killing of Russian speakers happened. The 14,000 deaths are actually from the war and comprised of the Ukrainian military, Russian forces, and civilians on both sides.
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