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All vaccines are based on fraudulent data.

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ALL vaccines are based on fraudulent data.
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The claim that all vaccines are based on fraudulent data is an unsubstantiated generalization. Although there have been instances of scientific misconduct in the past, such as the fraudulent study linking the MMR vaccine to autism by Andrew Wakefield, these cases are isolated and have been thoroughly investigated and discredited by the scientific community. The vast majority of vaccine research and development is conducted rigorously, with extensive clinical trials involving thousands of participants to ensure safety and efficacy. These trials are subject to peer review and regulatory oversight by agencies like the FDA in the United States. Furthermore, vaccines use mRNA to trigger the hosts immune system. Due to the fact that vaccines have evolved to no longer need to use live viruses, there is virtually no risk. When evaluating vaccine safety and effectiveness, it's important to rely on credible sources of information, such as reputable medical organizations and government health agencies. Misinformation and conspiracy theories about vaccines can have serious public health consequences, leading to vaccine hesitancy and outbreaks of preventable diseases.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know#:~:text=Yes.,well%20as%20rare%20adverse%20events.

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by Apprentice (1.0k points)
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I think that it's interesting that you looked at some scientific misconduct that may be drawing people's attention and formulating false information before inserting some factual sources to discredit that information, it is a very effective way to respond to the claim. You do a great job inserting the necessary information from trustworthy, knowledgable sources.
by Novice (860 points)
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The fact-check does a good job of showing that the claim all vaccines are based on fake data is false. It points out that while there were problems with things like the Wakefield study, those were rare and have been proven wrong. It also uses trusted sources like the FDA and Johns Hopkins to back up its points. However, it could be clearer when talking about mRNA vaccines. Not all vaccines use mRNA only some newer ones, like the COVID-19 vaccine. It could also explain more about how vaccines are tested and approved to show how thorough the process is. Finally, it could mention more about the real harm caused by vaccine misinformation, like outbreaks of diseases when people refuse to get vaccinated. Overall this a pretty solid factcheck, with really credible and reliable sources, but could improved in some areas.
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by Apprentice (1.4k points)

The claim that all vaccines are based on fraudulent data is false. This is nothing more than a conspiracy theory, with no substantial evidence or reason. The claim comes from a post on the social media platform "Bluesky," showing graphs of the decreases in prevalence of diseases over time, and proposing that diseases declined 90% before the invention of vaccines due to sanitation systems. This does nothing to prove that vaccines are not effective, and instead reinforces the effectiveness of sanitation and clean water in limiting the spread of disease. While sanitation played a big role in reducing these diseases the introduction of vaccines caused the diseases to be all but eliminated, and keep them from returning in large-scale infections.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/209448

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1438463917301529

As for the safety and credibility of the vaccines themselves, these vaccines all went through rigorous, multi-staged testing processes, and have since been administered to millions of people with minimal side effects. There is no evidence to support the claim that the vaccines are without credible supporting data.

https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/vaccine_safety/science.htm

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by Apprentice (1.4k points)
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I appreciate the lengths you went to proving this claim as false, and the tone in which you wrote this fact check. Stating that the claim is a "conspiracy theory" shows just how wrong it is to listen to claims like this about vaccines, especially in the face of definitive scientific evidence in favor of vaccines, which you included in your sources. I also appreciate your separate statement on the safety and credibility of vaccines themselves, past your initial evidence against the source used for the claim. I feel it would help your fact check if you included a direct quote, for example "The antigen has already been killed or disabled before it's used to make the vaccine, so it can't make you sick", from your final source.

https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/vaccine_safety/science.htm
by Newbie (230 points)
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The claim the all vaccines are created and based on fraudulent data is extremely misleading and wrong. You provided no substantial reasoning or explanation behind your claim, the claim comes from a post on social media showing graphs explaining that disease prevalence has gone down in the modern times, but nowhere in the graphs is the statement "all vaccines are based on fraudulent data" said anywhere.  here are some helpful sources for you to look through if you have any more questions or wonders.

https://www.cdc.gov/covid/php/surveillance/vaccine-effectiveness-studies.html

https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/vaccine_safety/science.htm
by Newbie (460 points)
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Your response effectively addresses the claim by highlighting that the original claim about vaccines being based on fraudulent data is false. I appreciate that you provided credible sources that strengthened your argument by showing that vaccines undergo rigorous testing and that you supported your answer by addressing both the resource the false claim was based on as well as the original idea about vaccines.
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by Novice (520 points)

The claim that all vaccines are based on fraudulent data is completely false. The graph referenced above claims that the prevalence of diseases decreased over time correlating with improvement in sanitation systems. Although this provides a valid argument that the improvement of sanitation systems has lead to a decrease in certain diseases, it does not provide evidence that vaccines are based on fraudulent data. All the vaccines displayed in the graph have gone through extensive and rigorous testing by the FDA as well as being used on millions of people with minimal side effects.

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