Boosting fertility through govt subsidies is ineffective & education policies are useless -- reform is needed.

Question

Boosting fertility through govt subsidies is ineffective and education policies are useless -- reform is needed.

Answer 1

Firstly, I would like to note the source you are looking at. It is a very right-leaning news source that has a lot of conservative bias. Secondly, I would like to note the claims the article makes: 

1. Birth rates are plummeting in the US.

2. Other countries including Hungary and South Korea have had the same problem and supplied government aid to families to support people in having more kids. 

3. Expenses of having kids is not connected to the birth rate decline because in the past there were higher birth rates even when people had less money. 

4. Higher education policies make it so people stay in higher education for longer creating an "Extended Adolescence"

5. Religious schools not being funded by tax dollars creates a barrier in accessibility, which decreases the importance of religion which also decreases birth rates. 

Fact-checking the claims: 

1. For the first claim this is true, according to the CDC we have seen an all-time low for birth rates in 2022 and 2023

2. Hungary did create a program where women with four or more children would be exempt from paying income tax and in 2019 the average number of children a Hungarian woman will have in her lifetime is 1.45. The fertility rate has continued to increase since 2019 which wasn't noted in the article. In South Korea it is also true that they have worked to aid families who have kids with more work benefits and help with education costs, which started in 2022. While South Korea still has a very low birth rate of 0.75 in 2024, it has started to increase which is a start. 

3. In the past it is true, expenses did not affect birth rates. But in recent years richer countries have had higher birth rates. As well government programs that aid parents who are also working benefit more than other programs

4. While there are some talk about college creating a new extended adolescence it doesn't seem scientifically backed. There is truth behind people being older when they have kids. This seems to be linked to women wanting to get a handle on their career and feel like they have the financial stability to have kids. 

5. With this argument, I think it gets very close to breaking the First Amendment; to make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Which mostly negates an argument about public funding to religious schools. While there is truth to the fact that there are higher birth rates among religious families. But with this data, there is not a lot to be done on a governmental level so it is not as valuable in this argument

To conclude there is some truth to the article, it's conclusion it gets to is not linked to actual data and it ignores a lot of actual data points or parts of the facts to get to the conclusion. In actuality giving funding and support to families who need the financial stability to have kids would possibly help more than just getting rid of funding all together. 

Sources: 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2024/20240525.htm 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47192612

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/HUN/hungary/fertility-rate

https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/south-koreas-plan-avoid-population-collapse

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-koreas-policy-push-springs-life-worlds-lowest-birthrate-rises-2025-02-26/#:~:text=In%202024%2C%20however%2C%20the%20glum,try%20to%20reverse%20the%20trend.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/Series/Analytical-Series/new-economics-of-fertility-doepke-hannusch-kindermann-tertilt

https://www.northwell.edu/news/the-latest/geriatric-pregnancy-increases-complication-rate#:~:text=New%20moms%20are%20trending%20older,Center%20for%20Health%20Statistics%20data.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/americas-growing-religious-secular-fertility-divide

Comments

This is a very well written and thought-out fact check! You made sure to touch on all aspects of the claim and used multiple sources to back up each one of your opinions. To add onto your credibility, it was good that you mentioned different point of views regarding the topic at hand. Since you utilized so many sources, maybe integrate quotes or specific examples from the sources to back up your claim even more.

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Your factcheck was thoroughly planned out and provided numerous reliable sources. It also provided multiple listed out reasons as to why the original statement was false. I also like how you were able to look into the source used in the first claim and notice how it is a right leaning source with bias. The only thing that could make this slightly better is adding direct quotes that highlight what you're talking about. Adding multiple links to websites at the bottom is kinda tricky for someone to go through and read. But overall this is a well written fact check to the claim and debunks every aspect that could be potentially confusing to others who don't research it as thoroughly.

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This response is one of the best I have seen on this website. You disputed his claim and gave several examples of evidence and facts to support your claim. The cite the original post was referring ing too was very biased and it is good you checked that. Having extensive reliable sources to back up your claim makes your points much stronger. Overall this is a great response to correct the original posts claim and support your own.

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I think this post oversimplifies the issue and ignores some context. While birth rates are declining, this response cherry picks data. Countries like Hungary and South Korea have seen improvements after implementing subsidies.  The claim that education policies are "useless" ignores the reality that women are delaying childbirth for career and financial stability

Answer 2

The base argument of this article is that the government should stop programs that discourage people from having children. The main programs that are discussed are the lack of religious teaching in publically funded schools and the increase in attendance in higher education. There are constant references to data from 1970 about higher fertility rates and lower education rates. This article fails to acknowledge the historical facts of that period. Most women were not working or allowed to work outside of the house. Marriage and having children were the only things women were allowed to do and it was often not a choice. The claim about the decline in fertility however is true.

To address their solutions, first, there is a separation of church and state that is to be upheld according to the Constitution. So when they suggest that religion should be taught in public schools, it violates that statute and defeats the purpose of a privately practiced religion or the lack thereof. Secondly, they say that the increase in attendance at higher education leads to "extended adolescence." Their claim is that people stay in school for much longer because they do not feel ready for real careers and to step into adult roles. This claim is not backed by any data and is biased toward their support for women stopping their education in high school. People stay in school longer because many jobs and aspirations require a higher level of mastery and background to succeed in.

This article puts the blame on the government without tapping into the reasons people actually desire to get an education. Women have gained increasingly more rights than they had in 1970 and have more opportunities to choose their life paths than before. The claim that educated women are less likely to have more children is true. These reasons vary. In a broad sense, it comes down to having the ability to make informed decisions.

https://wol.iza.org/articles/female-education-and-its-impact-on-fertility/long

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305750X02000724

Comments

Very thorough answer, however I am a bit skeptical about your choices of source to back up your argument. I'm not saying that your argument is wrong, however I feel as though you could've incorporated specific facts into your answer. There are many general thinks that you talk about, and some of them I wish you went deeper into the meaning of what those accusations meant. However, I love the pacing of your writing, and you seem like a very well-educated person!