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The claim 'A degree has lost its value' is quite misleading right off the bat as it's not too specific. I assume the claim is referring to a college degree - so for the sake of attempting to answer this claim, I will be under the impression that this claim is referring to a college degree - therefore 'a college degree has lost its value'. Even this though, keeps the claim quite open as it does not target a specific degree, but rather college degrees in general. Therefore, I will also research with the impression this claim is referring to college degrees in general. 

According to the source 'Decreasing Value of University Degrees (and other academic certifications)' by Robin Good - he brings attention to the fact of college degrees beginning to lose their value rapidly. This is due to considerations that have become more highly valued such as information learned during college study is not always useful to actual work demands, the fast-growing amount of paid jobs that do not require a university degree and growing alternative paths that can be taken to learn new skills that are more low cost. Not only these factors play in the diminishing of degree value, but it is also claimed that [outside of traditional "professionals" such as doctors and engineers] companies have begun recruiting people by looking for "skills and experience" than for degrees and certificates. It is made clear through this source that the value of the degree is diminishing because people have begun to value people's skills and experiences more than the degree itself. Which, from my personal perspective, would absolutely make sense. I personally have had professors tell me that the experiences you endure and opportunities within fields you take advantage of OUTSIDE of academics - weigh more in value and are viewed as more impressive even than the degree itself. It suggests ambition towards one's field and the 'real world' experience employers look for that solely students do not obtain within a classroom. This is why internships are highly encouraged to involve oneself, as I've been told employers will look more for experience, through things such as internships, while considering you for a position. 

Good writes that "It’s the method that doesn’t work anymore. Certifications and diplomas prove little about a person's skills and abilities in the real world. Today, the job marketplace requires people who can “think”. People who can come up with creative solutions to unexpected problems, people who are prepared to be continuously challenged by new discoveries and innovations but who can discern which ones are relevant and immediately useful for their goals, and people who can recognize patterns and relationships across industries and disciplines to help them find new and better ways to achieve their objectives." (Good) 

To consider another source though - Phil Black's "The Declining Value of College Degrees" suggests right off the bat that college degrees have lost their luster within the job market. Furthermore, "Tesla, Amazon, IBM and Google have all eliminated college education as a requirement for many entry-level jobs, and wide swaths of the banking and technology sectors have virtually eliminated degree requirements for many core positions" said Black. To further strengthen this concept: 

"New grads are finding their degrees worth far less than they may have thought: As new 2021 and 2022 graduates seek employment, 34% of them said they could have gotten their jobs without a college degree, according to a recent survey by ResumeBuilder" (Black). 

It has also been found that relaxing education requirements remove barriers to diversity. Overall - "College is more or less a signal that at least you have enough brainpower to get through college,” says Bersin, “but it doesn’t tell you that much about what you’re going to be good at” (Black). 

However, a reliable .edu source may work against the previous research provided. 

According to 'University of Massachusetts Global''s "Is a College Education Worth It? Weighing the Options for Adult Learners." - studies show: 

"Not only are adults with bachelor’s degrees more likely to find work, they’re also more likely to make a sustainable living. According to the College Board report, a college-educated individual’s median annual earnings were approximately 67 percent higher than those of a high school graduate. Just four percent of bachelor’s degree holders lived in poverty in 2015, versus 13 percent of high school graduates. College graduates are also statistically more likely to climb the socioeconomic ladder." (Is a College Education Worth It? Weighing the Options for Adult Learners). 

With this reliable source in mind, it suggests that those who have at least earned a Bachelor's degree are significantly more likely to be the upper end of the income distribution than those from similar backgrounds who only earned a high school diploma. This evidence and supporting data may weigh as more reliable then the two previous sources as this one comes from an academic/scholarly source - and the other two do not. While the two previous sources work to suggest that employers are more concerned with skills and experience than degrees (ultimately playing a big role in the hiring process), the reliable source provides data that proves those who have a degree do better in terms of finding work easier and receiving higher earnings. 

At the end of the day though while considering all of this research from different sources - I would argue this claim can be Can't be true or false, but leaning more towards being False. I give this claim this answer because ultimately - it depends on the individual themselves. I have met very successful people in my life who did not go to college and have met those who have college degrees and maintain average to well-paying jobs. It comes down to how YOU go about life by making the most of opportunities, gaining experience, and not losing sight of your goals. Those individuals I've met who are very successful and did not get a college degree had a passion and a very strong idea as to what they wanted to achieve - and made it happen. I would go as far as to argue though, that experiences outside of the classroom tend to be highly valued such as through internships as these demonstrate your understanding of a field from a real-world take. While the data still suggests that those who receive degrees do have higher chances of being more successful, it honestly comes more down to the person and their own path in life - making this fact-check difficult to find the true answer to.

Works Cited/Sources

Black, Phil. “The Declining Value of College Degrees.” /Tomorrow, 24 Jan. 2023, room.com/a/tomorrow/human/the-declining-value-of-college-degrees.

Good, Robin. “1. Decreasing Value of University Degrees  (and Other Academic Certifications).” Medium, 30 May 2018, medium.com/content-curation-official-guide/decreasing-value-of-university-degrees-2f831c4fd625.

“Is a College Education Worth It? Weighing the Options for Adult Learners.” www.umassglobal.eduwww.umassglobal.edu/news-and-events/blog/is-a-college-education-worth-it.

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by Novice (990 points)
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I appreciate how detailed your answer is because the phrase that something has "lost its value" can mean many different things. Your first two sources say that degrees have lost value in that skills and experience are now valued more. Your third source says that degrees have not lost value in terms of speeding up the job search and making money. Thanks for providing multiple interpretations on what this "lost value" could mean.
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by Apprentice (1.4k points)

I can see why this claim makes sense. Many students are pushed to attend college just to get a degree, and the amount of degrees obtained are increasing. As an econ major, this makes sense; "As the supply of a commodity increases, the value decreases. Conversely, as the good becomes more scarce, the value of the commodity increases." 

People have said that there is a "degree inflation," where there are so many degrees now that the value of each individual degree becomes less.

However, value is an objective idea as well. Most people cannot completely quantify the value of a degree, and if so, the value will vary depending on the person.

https://fee.org/articles/why-college-degrees-are-losing-their-value/

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I like your economics-driven quote about scarcity of a good, which makes some sense here!
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by Novice (950 points)

This claim is neither true or false depending on who the person is and where they want to work. There are many jobs in the field varying from labor work, teaching, business, etc,. 

Many jobs require having a bachelor's degree "75 percent of new jobs insist on a bachelor's degree, while one 40 percent of potential applicants have one". A degree depending on the job one wants to apply to will be beneficial to have and will give more of an advantage, but if a job doesn't require having an academic degree then it is not important if the person has one or not.

 A degree doesn't loose its value or is "useless", sometimes it is just not needed or it is depending on what the person wants to work. 

https://truthout.org/articles/75-of-new-jobs-require-a-degree-while-only-40-of-potential-applicants-have-one/

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The claim that "A degree has lots its value" is subjective and largely dependent on the individual, their career, and whether "value" is measured in intellectual growth or development of life and work force skills. According to Pew Research Center, 62 percent of college graduates reported that they felt their college degree was very useful in helping them grow intellectually and personally and about half felt that their college degree was very useful in helping them access job opportunities. While the general public had similarly divided views on the effectiveness of college degrees, the majority of the public had positive opinions about certificate programs in the context of workforce development. 78 percent of the public felt certificate programs prepare students well for a job in today's economy and workforce. On the other hand, Pew Research Center also found that people who continued education after undergraduate found their college degree to be increasingly useful the farther they progressed in their careers. Ultimately, the value of a college degree is dependent on a variety of factors including but not limited to career aspirations, specific programs offered, and even political party and race and ethnicity.

source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2016/10/06/5-the-value-of-a-college-education/
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I wouldn't necessarily say college degrees have 'lost their value', but more companies are hiring people without college degrees today. Harvard Business Review says, "Recruiters are now turning to social media to learn about potential candidates, so don’t be afraid to meet them there and demonstrate how you’d be an excellent fit — degree or not". While this isn't a direct survey or data report, the article does give tips on how to make yourself a more approachable candidate as well as what more companies are looking for today.

U.S. News also gives a list of 25 jobs that don't require a college degree, ranging from technicians to hairdressers. They also share how many job openings are expected to open up for each, which can be as much as 100,000 or more. 

So, college degrees haven't lost their value, as many 6-figure jobs require a degree of some sort, but I would say it is easier to be successful today without a college degree.

Sources:

https://hbr.org/2021/08/you-dont-need-a-college-degree-to-land-a-great-job

https://money.usnews.com/money/careers/slideshow/25-best-jobs-that-dont-require-a-college-degree?onepage

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The claim that "a college degree has lost its value" is based on mixed perspectives from various sources. Some argue that college degrees are losing value due to employers placing more emphasis on skills and experiences rather than formal education. Others contend that a college degree still holds significance in the job market and leads to better job opportunities and higher earnings. Ultimately, the veracity of the claim cannot be definitively determined, as it depends on individual circumstances and how one navigates their career path. While data from an academic source suggests that college graduates have higher earnings and job prospects, individual success can be achieved with or without a college degree.

 

 

The article discusses the concept of inflation, applying it to goods beyond money, including tangible items like vintage baseball cards and rare art, as well as intangible goods such as job skills. It highlights the role of college degrees as a signaling function rather than solely a skill-building process. The signaling model suggests that degrees serve as a validation process to show desirable characteristics to employers. However, due to credential inflation, where more jobs now require a college degree, the value of a degree has diminished, leading to higher rates of underemployment among college graduates. The article also points out the increase in college attendance and completion rates and questions whether a college degree still holds its "purchasing power" in the job market. It encourages students to focus on acquiring marketable skills rather than relying solely on a degree to distinguish themselves in a competitive job market.

 

https://fee.org/articles/why-college-degrees-are-losing-their-value/

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